Candi Syrup D-180 is now High Fructose Corn Syrup

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I recently purchased the LD Carlson Company D-180 Candi Syrup after all the rave reviews and the manufacturers claim that it is made from Beet and Date sugars. That may have been in the past, but my new bottle (also in a different package) is made from High Fructose Corn Syrup and Caramelized Sugar Syrup.

Had I known, I would have stuck with rock candy being from real sugar.

Buyer beware.
 
Does it matter? ‘Brewing sugar’ is invariably the monosaccharide glucose or a combination of the monosaccharides glucose and fructose. The latter covering British inverts, Belgian candi sugar and HFCS. It’s all real sugar. Being too much of a purist here ignores why brewers often use brewing sugar. It’s not simply a gravity booster.
 
Yes; it matters. Different sugars create different alcohols which create different flavors.

Belgians never used high fructose corn syrup because it didn’t exist. Beet and dates have been used and create know flavor profiles.

For me; there is uncertainty in what alcohol flavor profiles will come with the addition and fermentation of fructose. And the product isn’t being sold as such.

I also make meads and ciders. Many people use cane sugar (also now in the 180 that they claim is beet and date sugars) for higher gravity. In a high enough amounts, I can taste the alcohols developed from fermented cane sugar and I don’t like it as an adjunct.
 
Different alcohols??? The only alcohol produced in beer (wine, spirits, etc.) is ethanol. I'm not certain ethanol has a flavor profile other than the agreed upon alcohol burn. There is some aroma to alcohol but those chains are volatile and are not detectable by everyone... ehtanol is the most volatile and least detectable.

Echoing McMullen: fructose IS sugar. Most of the foods, candy, soda, etc. that you eat were switched over to fructose long ago because it was cheaper to use and case studies showed consumers could not tell the difference. Coca Cola successfully made the shift 35 years ago and many other food companies quickly followed suit.
 
OK. So not alcohols. But there are byproducts and off flavors associated with fermentation that can be tasted.

The Belgians use Candi sugar derived from beet sugar that's been caramelized and subjected to the Maillard reaction. It has fructose and glucose.

High fructose corn syrup is a cheap processed sugar that has found its way into nearly everything in the US and is considered unhealthy. If there wasn’t a difference in the end product; I’m sure the Belgians would have changed a long time ago.

Bottom line. You buy it if you want. I will not buy this product or add HFCS to my beer.
 
All fermentable sugars are converted to glucose by yeast cells (all living cells, in biochemical fact) before being metabolised, primarily into ethanol and CO2 for yeast. (Adding monosaccharides therefore cost less for yeast metabolism, right?) Note too that British brewing inverts and Belgian candi sugars are, in fact, cheap processed sugars too. I make at least one batch a month. British inverts, that is. Most big breweries are going to be using something more like HFCS, though. It's more cost effective. It boosts ethanol production (the brewer's primary goal) whilst putting less stress on the yeast, which professionals repitch. You're welcome.
 
So what I’m gathering is that fermentation “boils down” and ferments to ethanol and C02. That’s fair and fact.

So hence foward:

All meads should switch from super expensive honey to High Fructose Corn Syrup.

All ciders should switch from seasonal and regional apples to High Fructose Corn Syrup

All beers should switch from expensive grain and associated starches converted by various methods of mashing into fermentable sugars to High Fructose Corn Syrup.

Oh; don’t bother adding maple syrup to anything. Should just be High Fructose Corn Syrup.

In fact. Let’s go further. Let’s hit distilling. All distilling hence forward should ferment their mash with High Fructose Corn Syrup. Why use potatoes, wheat, grain, molasses, corn……no worries. Eliminate scotch, whiskey, bourbon, rum…..just use High Fructose Corn Syrup in mashes and it will all come out the same.

Makes sense. Thanks guys.
 
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Not really, we’re talking about beer. Specifically, brewing sugar additions to barley wort, not mead or cider, or distilled spirits. Completely different cups of tea. Let’s get back on track and less 1-dimensional. And less melodramatic. Many types of beer benefit from a little brewing sugar. It makes the wort more fermentable for the yeast and can produce a better balanced end product. Five to 15% isn’t unusual. Up to 25% or even more in some traditional English Milds. Generally, though, most people aren’t going to be able to distinguish which source of monosaccharides was used in most cases. Light candi sugar, invert no.1 and HFCS are too similar to distinguish apart in the final product in most cases. Dark candi sugar (products of Maillard reactions) and certainly luscious molasses added to invert nos.2, 3 and 4 are what can be more distinguishable, depending on the recipe and drinker. But you can make British brewing inverts with HFCS and Belgian candi sugar from HFCS. No one is going to be able to tell any difference in the final product. It really is just glucose. (Fructose is essentially just a form of glucose.) It’s very easy to test yourself. I did and now use the cheapest sugar available where I am, which is sucrose processed from sugar beet. Awful stuff I don’t use otherwise. I invert it first, of course. Quality unrefined cane sugars are like ‘gold dust’ where I am and relatively very expensive, thanks to the profiteering cartels, so that precious stuff gets strictly reserved for baking, where it shines best.
 
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The beer has fermented now. The HFCS left nothing in the beer as a dark candy sugar would have.

It was sold as adding complex flavors. It did not. Oddly enough, even its dark color that was noticeable at the end of the boil went away.
 
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