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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2012, 07:12:47 AM »
Whole hops versus pellets/avoiding process alteration of flavors: I think you have a point there PetenNewburg. I don't know to what degree the process is influencing the flavor profile/intencity, but both you and Tom Hampton notice better flavor extraction in practice. This is really an exiting area!
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2012, 07:54:43 AM »
I don't know...I use whole hops because they are easier given my equipment.  As long as I have enough whole hops in the kettle, I can use some pellets.  The flowers will stick to my kettle screen and work as a filter bed for the pellet debris. 

Almost all professional brewers use pellets, though.  JZ has always recommended pellets...for better utilization.  He's won enough awards (more than anyone else, ever) to dispel any idea that they are somehow degraded.  If flowers truly had better flavor, aroma, etc...I have no doubt that JZ would use them. 

However, given my equipment setup...flowers work better and I compensate my amounts for the slight decrease in utilization.  Another tip for using flowers....bags of flowers are not uniform.  The lupulin will settle to the bottom of the bag....so that the bottom of the bag has more hop flavor/aroma/bitterness than the top of the bag.  So, store them upside down when you get them and rotate them every so often to keep the lupulin more uniform throughout the bag.  Also, try and pull hops from various sections of the bag...like taking a core sample.  That way, you again help to compensate for any non-uniformity of lupulin in the bag.

 
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2012, 02:39:27 AM »
Thanks Tom!
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2012, 07:13:16 AM »
  I was discussing repeatability with a friend last night and this topic came to mind.  With leaf hops there can be variations from bag to bag.  Pelletizing requires a very large quantity of hops, ground and mashed together.  In this process variations may still exist, but would not really be noticeable to the home or commercial brewer/ consumer.
  Commercial brewers use a swirl tank prior to the chilling/ fermentation process to help remove the hop debris.
  So for repeatability from batch to batch, pellets do offer greater consistency.  It's the spent hops mess I dislike the most.  I also just like the fresh aroma!
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2012, 08:18:03 AM »
Thanks PetenNewburg!

Isn't that one of the charming sides of beer brewing: the dilemma between on one side using products from nature that varies in their quality and on the other side our need for process control and reproducability/repeatability?

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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2012, 10:46:02 AM »
  Yes, but isn't it cool we can choose without concern of stockholders or the consuming public.  We make exactly what we like and how we make it!! 8)
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2012, 07:44:50 PM »
Isn't also cool that places like Russian River can exist and make beers like Pliny, sell it and make a profit.  Ie, there is a market for crazy beers like this. 
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2012, 08:24:14 PM »
Amen Brother!
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2012, 10:45:16 AM »
Having participated in brewing a Pliny inspired beer, I shall be taking the lazy mans approach and picking up a couple bottles a week from today.. from my secret supplier here in San Jose. 

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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2012, 06:13:06 PM »
Having participated in brewing a Pliny inspired beer, I shall be taking the lazy mans approach and picking up a couple bottles a week from today.. from my secret supplier here in San Jose.

You're going to force me to not like you, if you keep that up!
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2012, 03:32:44 PM »
Sounds like someone knows the way to San Jose...
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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2012, 12:35:04 AM »
I was stuck with Palate Wrecker, Mongo, Shark Attack, Wookey, Hop 15 and LinchPin tonight because the Pliny taps ran dry tonight.  So, you win.

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Re: Pliny --- wow! what a brewday...
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2012, 09:11:19 AM »
I see that you use the phrase "you win" the same way my buddy and I do.  The one who leaves work first each day tells the guy staying late "you win". 

Clearly, you suffered greatly having to "choke down" that swill.  I feel your pain. 
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