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Conical from China
« on: December 22, 2009, 11:00:44 AM »
   
Conical Fermenter from China

There are a few companies in China that make fine looking Fermenters
Blichman ( type) valves  and  high polish

I can get a 50 liter unit for $375.00 USD
Great I was thinking till I called Fed Ex to see what shipping was.
That was disappointing.  They want  near a Grand to ship it.
I asked about  ten units: $7876.32 right down to the penny.
OUCH~!!
I'll ask the manufacturer about shipping maybe they can do better.

If course If I'm the shipper stateside I will likely have to leave it with Customs for six months while they quarantine it for inspections and to make sure it's not  carrying Asian insects etc.  I looked into shipping exotic lumber from Borneo  several years back and that was pretty much the SOP and the shipper pays for those six months of warehousing.   However, if I un-crate and disassemble it they may let it in sooner.   Customs has some discretion.

Here's a pix of the one I'm not likely to pay the Thousand dollars to ship here:
http://s1002.photobucket.com/albums/af143/zydaco/?action=view&current=fermenter2.jpg&newest=1
Mind you, I have no abandoned the idea.
I'm just deeply discouraged at the Fed Ex numbers.

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 01:02:50 PM »
That thing is beautiful.  They must have someone here that has bought them.

Good Recipe, Good Ingredients, Good Procedure, Good Sanitation = Good Brew.

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 07:58:39 PM »
Well the manufacturer got back to me
$75.00 to ship from China
Fed Ex wanted a thousand?  And these guys can do it for $75.00~??
Moma didn't raise no fool. I kin tell the durferrunce atween a grand and sebenty fibe dollauh. 

They have a 40 Liter and a 50 Liter unit. 
Shipping's the same
Same If I buy  a passle of 'em.


This is starting to look more and more do-able

I may be the proud owner of a SST Conical.

Of course I have more than one company vying for my money so one never knows I may get it cheaper still.

As an aside a "brew pot" from one company was quoted at over two Thousand.
I'm guessing because it's custom made and the conicals are a  standard stock item.





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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 06:47:07 AM »
Hi Karma,

I have imported things from China before and have found that there are a lot of other costs they aren't telling you about. If you don't do your homework, you'll have an unpleasant surprise.  The $75 would only be for the space in a container, but that is just the beginning.   You probably need a customs broker and customs bond.  Plus, there are "handling fees" on this end (they are not going to let you go onto the ship and take it off yourself).  Then you have to get it from the harbor to you (more cost).  Want to make sure you get it?  Then buy insurance, too.  Oh yeah, did they mention that there is a minimum?  While it won't be a thousand like FedEx, it will be many hundreds of dollars for just the one item.

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 07:02:03 AM »
Yah I  figured there'd be some king of fee to unload the container.
More the concern for me is  the  customs Kabuki dance.
Port Newark has been difficult to get on the horn while Customs is easy.
The Customs guys don't mind chatting the process out, but  the guys with the cranes  are like "Go away kid ya bother me."
 
 

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2009, 01:40:58 PM »
I thought those looked familiar.

Looks like a California Company is looking at selling these units and the companion brew kettles.

If their prices on corny kegs are any indication, this could be your vendor.

http://www.chicompany.net/conical-fermenters-257/

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2009, 01:37:20 PM »
Just have to add my 2cents on this thread ---- Looking at the past decade and all the safety issues (lead etc) with products from China I'd have to really question the value of these fermenters. Especially since they are going to be used in processing a food product. Cheap labor no doubt is part of the low price ... but have to also wonder about steel quality and welding wire used. China remains the "wild west" of manufacturing - virtually a law-less environment.

Yeah American made conicals are more costly but are a known product and the manufacturer will be there if you have issues ... just saying
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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 04:32:04 PM »
Chinese = crap
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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 08:16:33 PM »
I've sourced hand tools from China and Taiwan and there are so many variables that you take for granted from known vendors and you have to verify everything from China, and as far as vendor/customer relationships, you want contracts.  As a sole consumer buying "one each" from them directly, you'd have no such protections.  Buying one from this US supplier at a slightly higher price would probably be worth it.

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 02:20:48 PM »
Yah I'd normally agree but the USA price  is like twice or treble the Chinese price.
Find me a good 50-Liter conical for under $500.00
This one is $350 + $75 for shipping. Add a couple hundred at dockside  for handling customs and duty and  it may tally $500.00 or so





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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2010, 04:40:10 PM »
But if it leaks, or just has a non-sanitary weld, and you must find and pay a qualified s/s welder, and/or then you find it is not really food-grade s/s or has some lead (or whatever) in it, you may have little recourse. 

The reason s/s is so darn expensive is that world-wide demand (including in China) is higher than supply. 

Might be worth first getting proof of the grade of s/s they use, or ask the US supplier for pix or references from a happy customer. 

My LHBS tried some cheaper Italian s/s pots and ate most of them for leaky valves. 

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 04:56:25 PM »
If it turns out to be junk, what do you do?  Do you return it?  What do they give you back? 
It's not like you're buying it from K-Mart.  You can't take it back.
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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2010, 10:42:41 AM »
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Chinese = crap
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If it turns out to be junk, what do you do?  Do you return it?  What do they give you back? 
It's not like you're buying it from K-Mart.  You can't take it back.

OK, I get it.  You don't like the idea of buying things from China.

However,  Made in China does  not automatically  mean bad.
Once long ago, in another  universe, far away, the imprimatur "Made in the USA" meant that whatever you had, was most likely the  gold standard.  Those days are long gone.   I doubt they will return in my lifetime.
Meanwhile the Chinese are  making substantial headway.  They are hungry for advancement and success, and it shows. 

 

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 08:13:13 AM »
http://conical-fermenter.com/products/

Try the above link, these guys order their conicals in bulk from China.   ;)

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Re: Conical from China
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2010, 03:33:57 PM »
how very interesting.
Curious that they couldn't get a 10+ gallon brew pot.   Instead they have some liter size that's 9.2 gallons
But the prices are pretty appealing.



 

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