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Offline abndrew82

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Recipe question (Strawberry Lemonade)
« on: May 31, 2015, 07:20:46 PM »
Hello

I downloaded the attached recipe for Strawberry Lemonade from the site, and had some questions in preparation of brewing it, that I am hoping someone can assist with.

Questions

1) Looking at the ingredients it mentions 3 lb. of acid malt grains and mentions steeping in the steps, but in the notes where it appears to creator laid out the whole brew process he never mentions the steeping?

2) Also in the beginning area it mentions the boil ingredients, but in the notes, its mentioned to only heat to 175, and never mentions a boil at all.

3) I want to scale the recipe down to a much smaller batch for the first test, but with those questions above I am trying to figure how to fully do so.  Can use scale option in Brewsmith I figure as the ingredients are all listed out.

Thanks for any assistance anybody can provide
« Last Edit: May 31, 2015, 07:22:18 PM by abndrew82 »

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Re: Recipe question (Strawberry Lemonade)
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2015, 09:26:26 PM »
This recipe would scare the crap out of me.  It is loaded with a lot of table sugar, which is going to give a bad cidery flavor profile.  However, there is a lot of other flavors going on too (grape, strawberry, honey, malt, and lemonade), so maybe all of those flavors overpower any cidery flavors.

Another really important thing to note is that there are absolutely no hops in this recipe!  There is no bitterness to counterbalance all of that sweetness!!  This is going to be a really sweet, cloying concoction!  I think you need to add some hops to the recipe.  Something with just a woodsy, earthy bitterness, like the noble hops varieties would probably be fine.  Maybe some Kent Goldings, or Fuggles, or similar would work fine.  I'd put them in at the beginning of the boil.  Use a fruit beer style for guidelines.  I'd try to get the IBU's arrow even with the Estimated Original Gravity arrow.  If you keep it at about 93 Estimated Orignal Gravity, then you should shoot for about 50 IBU's.

However, if you still want to brew it even though it scares the heck out of me, I would substitute more of the extract in place of a lot of the table sugar.  I personally would limit the table sugar to about two pounds.  In place of the removed four pounds of table sugar, you could add back approximately 3 pounds or more (whatever your desire is) of the malt extract.  You'll get more of a fruited beer flavor, than a bad cider undertone.

1) Looking at the ingredients it mentions 3 lb. of acid malt grains and mentions steeping in the steps, but in the notes where it appears to creator laid out the whole brew process he never mentions the steeping?
He has the profile set as an extract recipe.  When you have grains in a recipe, but are not mashing, then it's kind of an assumption that you're going to steep them.  Whenever I do an extract with steeping grains, I usually steep between 150F and 160F.  If you steep at 175F, you might extract some tannins that you don't want to extract from the acid malt.  Bring your boil water up to 1160FF, put your acid malt in a grain bag and steep it for about 30 minutes.  Then pull the bag out and let it drip until it stops dripping.  Don't squeeze it to get more out of it, as this might squeeze outs some tanniny stuff too.  Once it's done dripping, put it aside and put the heat to your boil kettle.  When it starts to boil, turn the heat off and put about half of your malt extract into your boil pot and stir it until it is fully dissolved.  Then put the heat to it again and commence your boil.  Add the rest of your malt extract to the boil kettle with 15 minutes left to go in the boil.  Don't forget to turn the heat off and fully dissolve the malt extract so that you don't scorch it on the bottom of your boil kettle.

2) Also in the beginning area it mentions the boil ingredients, but in the notes, its mentioned to only heat to 175, and never mentions a boil at all.
Follow the instructions above.

3) I want to scale the recipe down to a much smaller batch for the first test, but with those questions above I am trying to figure how to fully do so.  Can use scale option in Brewsmith I figure as the ingredients are all listed out.

You can scale it.  However, you're going to have difficult with the lemonade concentrate.  You might be adding a partial can.  It also seems like a lot of lemonade concentrate to me!  8 items of lemonade for a 5 gallon batch seems excessive to me?  However, I've never tasted this recipe, so it might be the correct amount.

I think your decision to scale this down for the first brew is probably a really good idea!

I also noticed that it lists yeast energizer and yeast nutrient.  Yeast energizer is something I usually only use when I have a stuck fermentation, but it is useful in wine making and when there are a lot of "non-barley sugars.  I would usually say to only use yeast nutrient, but in this case, since there is honey, table sugar, lemonade concentrate, white grape juice and strawberries, it's probably wise to use both of them, as the recipe states.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2015, 09:35:55 PM by Scott Ickes »
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Re: Recipe question (Strawberry Lemonade)
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2015, 07:10:41 AM »
Thanks very much for all your insights on this.

I had the same feelings you did with some parts of the recipe, what I was aiming for when I found this was a alcohol fruit drink, something like the Mike's Hard Lemonades and such.  Planning to make something for family that doesn't drink beer for the 4th of July as I am taking a Keg of beer for the beer drinkers, I wanted to have something for the others.

I will look more into what you said and possibly find some other options for an alcoholic fruit drink or possibly even a clone of something already out there.

Actually have 2 followup questions

1) For the Strawberries mentioned is it normally wise to use fresh fruits, or a strawberry extract
2) He doesn't really mention carbonating it, even states you can put the extra gallon right in a growler and drink it, what are thoughts on Carbonating vs Not, on something like this.

Thanks

Drew
« Last Edit: June 01, 2015, 07:25:16 AM by abndrew82 »

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Re: Recipe question (Strawberry Lemonade)
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2015, 05:34:50 PM »
I use fresh fruit whenever possible.

I'd carbonate it.
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Re: Recipe question (Strawberry Lemonade)
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2015, 10:53:17 AM »
Doing this brew today, and thought of one last question at a bit of last minute.  The way its mentioned is to mix the fruit, sugar, extract and such.  Then it states to put this mixture into the fermenter with the other stuff.  Normally from my understanding you siphon from brew pot to fermenter to not get the trub at bottom, would that be same or do you think the strawberries from the boil should go into the primary.

I am doing 2 1 gallon batches, one is with more extract, less sugar, and adding hops, and other is more as its listed without the hots, am curious to see how they both turn out and compare to each other.  Figure at minimum the one with the hops should surely be siphoned as it may have more trub at the bottom.

Thanks

Drew

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Re: Recipe question (Strawberry Lemonade)
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2015, 11:32:06 AM »
Strawberries into the primary.  You don't want to boil them, or you'll be making jelly.  Everything else should be boiled.
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 Wee Heavy

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Re: Recipe question (Strawberry Lemonade)
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2015, 07:05:06 AM »
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