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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-19893</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - if something happened to the original yeast, pitching more might revive your fermentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; if something happened to the original yeast, pitching more might revive your fermentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m having an issue similar to Michele, over 3 days since yeast pitched and no activity. A friend who is more experienced suggested that yeast is dead, advised that I buy more yeast and try adding again. My question is will this work, and what will happen w/ dead yeast, ie will it affect taste?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m having an issue similar to Michele, over 3 days since yeast pitched and no activity. A friend who is more experienced suggested that yeast is dead, advised that I buy more yeast and try adding again. My question is will this work, and what will happen w/ dead yeast, ie will it affect taste?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-19816</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
  I would look for signs of active fermentation (bubbling airlock, head on the fermenting wort, etc).  Its possible you have a bad hydrometer or your procedure for measuring is not quite consistent yet.

Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
  I would look for signs of active fermentation (bubbling airlock, head on the fermenting wort, etc).  Its possible you have a bad hydrometer or your procedure for measuring is not quite consistent yet.</p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-19811</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased everything to brew beer over the holidays. I started with a Brewer&#039;s best Continental Pilsner. Paid careful attention to instruction &amp; sterilization procedures. After 48 hrs at 55 degrees there was no sign of fermentation. I went on the manufacturers website &amp; was instructed to take a hydrometer reading being assured if the gravity was decreasing, fermentation was occurring. The readin was 1.000. Original gravity was 1.044. It is 5 days later &amp; still nothing. I contacted a local brew supply co. &amp; was instructed to take another reading. It was 1.050. an increase of 6/1000? I was instructed to take it out of the chiller and bring it to room temp to see if fermentation started, and, if not, maybe the yeast packet was bad &amp; to re-pitch tomoro. Have I been given the correct information? I would hate to fail on my first attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased everything to brew beer over the holidays. I started with a Brewer&#8217;s best Continental Pilsner. Paid careful attention to instruction &amp; sterilization procedures. After 48 hrs at 55 degrees there was no sign of fermentation. I went on the manufacturers website &amp; was instructed to take a hydrometer reading being assured if the gravity was decreasing, fermentation was occurring. The readin was 1.000. Original gravity was 1.044. It is 5 days later &amp; still nothing. I contacted a local brew supply co. &amp; was instructed to take another reading. It was 1.050. an increase of 6/1000? I was instructed to take it out of the chiller and bring it to room temp to see if fermentation started, and, if not, maybe the yeast packet was bad &amp; to re-pitch tomoro. Have I been given the correct information? I would hate to fail on my first attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: valtco</title>
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		<dc:creator>valtco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just brewed an all grain American brown and added 8 oz maple syrup in the last 20 minutes of the boil. I am wondering if I can add about 4-6 oz maple syrup for the carbonation I want in the keg? Want yo have a distinct maple essence but don&#039;t want the beer to be dry or off flavored!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just brewed an all grain American brown and added 8 oz maple syrup in the last 20 minutes of the boil. I am wondering if I can add about 4-6 oz maple syrup for the carbonation I want in the keg? Want yo have a distinct maple essence but don&#8217;t want the beer to be dry or off flavored!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-19140</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
  To increase your FG, just add more grains or extract to the beer!

Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
  To increase your FG, just add more grains or extract to the beer!</p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: Sjakk Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sjakk Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
We have brewed two beers; Brown Ale and Bayer. Both beers had an OG = 35 Ö and FG = 12Ö. How do we get an increase in the OG value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
We have brewed two beers; Brown Ale and Bayer. Both beers had an OG = 35 Ö and FG = 12Ö. How do we get an increase in the OG value?</p>
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		<title>By: Weird After taste... - Home Brew Forums</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-19087</link>
		<dc:creator>Weird After taste... - Home Brew Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 17:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it doesn&#039;t mention &quot;wet cardboard&quot; this article may still be useful to you.  Troubleshooting Homebrewed Beer  I recently had a batch suffer from sour/acidic flavors and I think it&#039;s from storing the kegged [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it doesn&#039;t mention &quot;wet cardboard&quot; this article may still be useful to you.  Troubleshooting Homebrewed Beer  I recently had a batch suffer from sour/acidic flavors and I think it&#039;s from storing the kegged [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18844</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 06:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
  Hard to tell but the lager could have problems due to aging at high temp - did you ferment and age it at lager temperatures (around 54F?)

Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
  Hard to tell but the lager could have problems due to aging at high temp &#8211; did you ferment and age it at lager temperatures (around 54F?)</p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18841</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have brewed two batches of beer. One is a lager and the other a Yorkshire bitter. Two issues the Yorkshire has an apple flavor to it after one month in the kegarator. The Lager is an all grain and has a slight smoke taste. What is wrong and how do ya fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have brewed two batches of beer. One is a lager and the other a Yorkshire bitter. Two issues the Yorkshire has an apple flavor to it after one month in the kegarator. The Lager is an all grain and has a slight smoke taste. What is wrong and how do ya fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenzy</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18791</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the recipe I used said to use dry malt extract 1 1/4 cup  to 1 cup boiled water for bottling.  so that&#039;s what I did.  so sounds like next time I will use the sugar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the recipe I used said to use dry malt extract 1 1/4 cup  to 1 cup boiled water for bottling.  so that&#8217;s what I did.  so sounds like next time I will use the sugar.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18783</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
  There are several reasons you could have carbonation problems.  The yeast could be inactive, you may not have used enough sugar, and you may not have given it enough time.  Fresh ingredients are very important so I would probably start there - did you use fresh sugar to prime it?

Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
  There are several reasons you could have carbonation problems.  The yeast could be inactive, you may not have used enough sugar, and you may not have given it enough time.  Fresh ingredients are very important so I would probably start there &#8211; did you use fresh sugar to prime it?</p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: Lenzy</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18781</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I made my first batch of beer, tastes great, problem is, its not very carbonated?? what happened?  It sat for 2 weeks before we opened the first bottle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I made my first batch of beer, tastes great, problem is, its not very carbonated?? what happened?  It sat for 2 weeks before we opened the first bottle.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18752</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,
  Keep it going - if the fermentation is still active the beer will have a layer of CO2 over it, so even if your airlock failed it is unlikely you have spoiled the beer.  I&#039;ve had it happen a few times and it has always turned out for the best.  In fact many commercial breweries still use open air fermenters.

Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,<br />
  Keep it going &#8211; if the fermentation is still active the beer will have a layer of CO2 over it, so even if your airlock failed it is unlikely you have spoiled the beer.  I&#8217;ve had it happen a few times and it has always turned out for the best.  In fact many commercial breweries still use open air fermenters.</p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18749</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I brewed my second batch of red ale yesterday and at 6:00 AM my lid blew off my ferminter. The air gap pluged up with foam. I cleaned everything but the foam keeps pouring out the hole. Is this a lost cause or is there still hope?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I brewed my second batch of red ale yesterday and at 6:00 AM my lid blew off my ferminter. The air gap pluged up with foam. I cleaned everything but the foam keeps pouring out the hole. Is this a lost cause or is there still hope?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18747</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
  My best advice is if it is already bottled, give it some a week or two to carbonate, then store it in the fridge for a month or two.  Likely the color will clear over time and the flavor will improve.  Young beer (just brewed) is neither clear nor particularly good - so you may not have contaminated it at all.

  Have some patience and crack a bottle in a few weeks to see if it is better.  If it is still bad, give it a month or two to settle out - just about anything gets better with age.

Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
  My best advice is if it is already bottled, give it some a week or two to carbonate, then store it in the fridge for a month or two.  Likely the color will clear over time and the flavor will improve.  Young beer (just brewed) is neither clear nor particularly good &#8211; so you may not have contaminated it at all.</p>
<p>  Have some patience and crack a bottle in a few weeks to see if it is better.  If it is still bad, give it a month or two to settle out &#8211; just about anything gets better with age.</p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: Ishan grover</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-18746</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishan grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!
I just brewed lager beer at home for the first time.it taste sour,colour is dirty yellow i assume it got contaminated. I dnt want to waste 40 pints so can u gimme advice how to fix the issue. Imhave already bottled the beer..
Waiting for reply
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />
I just brewed lager beer at home for the first time.it taste sour,colour is dirty yellow i assume it got contaminated. I dnt want to waste 40 pints so can u gimme advice how to fix the issue. Imhave already bottled the beer..<br />
Waiting for reply<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-17896</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart - I would not worry - give it some time as it may not have completed, but some fermentations can be rapid.  If you are concerned, try taking a hydrometer reading to see where the specific gravity is now.  Also make sure you have a good seal with the airlock and especially the lid of the bucket if you are using a bucket to ferment - sometimes gas can escape your fermeter through the seals.  -- Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart &#8211; I would not worry &#8211; give it some time as it may not have completed, but some fermentations can be rapid.  If you are concerned, try taking a hydrometer reading to see where the specific gravity is now.  Also make sure you have a good seal with the airlock and especially the lid of the bucket if you are using a bucket to ferment &#8211; sometimes gas can escape your fermeter through the seals.  &#8212; Brad</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finished brewing an IPA (extract) and within 12 hours fermentation had begun.  However, within another 12 hours it had virtually stopped.  Any cause for alarm?  Should I do anything?  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finished brewing an IPA (extract) and within 12 hours fermentation had begun.  However, within another 12 hours it had virtually stopped.  Any cause for alarm?  Should I do anything?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: possible to overcrush grain? (not talking about stuck sparge) - Home Brew Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>possible to overcrush grain? (not talking about stuck sparge) - Home Brew Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My water looks good besides a sulfate count of 128 ppm. Is there a way to take out SO4 without having to dilute water?   Incase people are interested in the article here is the link http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My water looks good besides a sulfate count of 128 ppm. Is there a way to take out SO4 without having to dilute water?   Incase people are interested in the article here is the link <a href="http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/" rel="nofollow">http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/09/21/troubleshooting-homebrewed-beer/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the presence of a thin film is not always an indication of bacteria.  Often the CO2 from the fermentation will lift some light particles/proteins in the solution and leave them at the surface of the fermented beer.  If you actually do have a bacterial infection, in most cases you can immediately taste it in the beer as it will either taste sour or just plain spoiled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the presence of a thin film is not always an indication of bacteria.  Often the CO2 from the fermentation will lift some light particles/proteins in the solution and leave them at the surface of the fermented beer.  If you actually do have a bacterial infection, in most cases you can immediately taste it in the beer as it will either taste sour or just plain spoiled.</p>
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		<title>By: dave in norway</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave in norway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have brewed beer for almost 30 years and for the most part the brews have won appreciation. However every now and again there is created a sort of thin &#039;waxy&#039; film onthe surface of the brew after fermentation has finished but before tapping into bottles. This occured on 3 different brews during the last 2 weeks. I am very perturbed as to what it can be - obviously some sort of bacterial attack due to a slip in hygiene most likely but it would be nice to hear from an expert so as I have peace of mind. If you can help I would be extremely grateful - Thanks,   Dave, Norway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have brewed beer for almost 30 years and for the most part the brews have won appreciation. However every now and again there is created a sort of thin &#8216;waxy&#8217; film onthe surface of the brew after fermentation has finished but before tapping into bottles. This occured on 3 different brews during the last 2 weeks. I am very perturbed as to what it can be &#8211; obviously some sort of bacterial attack due to a slip in hygiene most likely but it would be nice to hear from an expert so as I have peace of mind. If you can help I would be extremely grateful &#8211; Thanks,   Dave, Norway</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to home brewing but have done two very drinkable brews so far (a porter and an amber) got a bit cocky on my thrid attempt and rushed thing burning the malt extract.  I continued and had hopes that the end result would not be too bad with no luck and the batch is helping my compost pile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to home brewing but have done two very drinkable brews so far (a porter and an amber) got a bit cocky on my thrid attempt and rushed thing burning the malt extract.  I continued and had hopes that the end result would not be too bad with no luck and the batch is helping my compost pile.</p>
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		<title>By: First batch of beer's taste seems off - Home Brew Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>First batch of beer's taste seems off - Home Brew Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] deffinitly some odd flavors. Check this out and see if anything fits the taste your finding...  Troubleshooting Homebrewed Beer &#124; Home Brewing Beer Blog by BeerSmith    __________________ THIRSTY GOAT BREWING COMPANY On Deck:Munich DUnkle Primary: BCave Hef and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] deffinitly some odd flavors. Check this out and see if anything fits the taste your finding&#8230;  Troubleshooting Homebrewed Beer | Home Brewing Beer Blog by BeerSmith    __________________ THIRSTY GOAT BREWING COMPANY On Deck:Munich DUnkle Primary: BCave Hef and [...]</p>
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